The Reception of Mark by John II?

I have a busy semester teaching second semester Greek and tutoring undergrads for a intro NT course, but conveniently the lesson coming up is on similarities and differences between John and the Synoptics and I was provided a few links that helpfully introduce this topic here and here.  A few posts ago I noted the patristic view that John wrote to supplement the Synoptic Gospel, but modern critical scholarship goes back and forth between John’s dependence or independence on them.  If independent, the similarities in the general outline and in several individual stories may perhaps be accounted for by some shared oral or written sources, including what many form critics believed was a pre-Markan passion narrative (note how many of Mark’s individual units seem like they could have been passed down independently but the Passion narrative is a smooth, interconnected narrative) that may explain why the narratives of Mark and John converge more here.  Recently, I have the impression that scholarship seems to be swinging back to the view that John knew and was dependent on at least Mark with some specialized studies trying to demonstrate an intertextual connection such as agreement in literary order/unique vocabulary or other alleged Markan redactional features showing up in John (thanks to Ed Babinski for emailing some of these sources to me).  What do you think is the solution?

4 Responses to The Reception of Mark by John II?

  1. Yes, of course John knew a version of GMk :)

    Though he also had another source (i.e. Signs, which I argue was effectively proto-Mark. This reminds me I should finally put up my post about Signs and its critical history.)

    John only relies on GMk secondarily; mostly he relies on it for a proto-canonical, semi-historical narrative (whereas Signs was not really narrative, strictly speaking.)

    My guess is that by the time John wrote, GMk was making waves, and John (or else the Johannine community) had to deal with it somehow or other.

    Just some thoughts, as usual.

  2. Ron Price says:

    The writer who composed the original ‘edition’ of John’s gospel was almost certainly familiar with Mark’s gospel. Both gospels introduce Jesus by starting with John the Baptist. Crossan pointed out that John copies the characteristically Markan ‘sandwiching’ technique of Mk 14:53-72. This is very unlikely to have been transmitted orally. Also, Barrett pointed out a few details in common, e.g. the three hundred denarii in MK 14:5 // Jn 12:5.

  3. Mike K. says:

    Thanks Mike Z., I looked at some of the stuff you have already posted on the Johannine signs on your blog. I would be very interested in seeing another post about the critical history of the Signs Source with a bibliography I could look up.

    Thanks Ron, I am open to these kinds of things as well revealing that John might have known Mark, though perhaps also utilizing some of their own distinct oral/written sources.

  4. [...] this last month or so I have looked at Mark’s reception in Matthew, Luke, John, Thomas or Augustine (also note this recent post at Ex Libris on Papias’s apologetic [...]

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